Nicole Kidman on marriage, marijuana and the making of Stanley Kubrick’s ‘Eyes Wide Shut’

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I’ve lived a rather unique life, filled with unexpected twists and turns. I’ve had the privilege of being a part of Stanley Kubrick’s final masterpiece, “Eyes Wide Shut,” a film that continues to intrigue and puzzle audiences long after its release.

“Stanley Kubrick’s last movie, titled ‘Eyes Wide Shut,’ was completed posthumously. He passed away four months prior to its premiere. The production, featuring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, lasted almost twice as long as planned, leaving both actors tied up for nearly two years. As the shoot dragged on indefinitely, Kidman grew increasingly anxious: Will this project ever come to an end?”

Not that she was in any hurry to leave.

“I would have stayed a third year,” Kidman tells me. “Does that mean I’m crazy?”

The long-awaited movie, shrouded in mystery as a depiction of “sexual jealousy and obsession,” generated much anticipation and conjecture prior to its July 16, 1999 release. However, the reception upon its premiere was underwhelming, with hints of disillusionment. Yet, over time, its allure and enigmas have only grown more intriguing. Christopher Nolan refers to it as “the ‘2001’ of relationship movies,” a comparison that holds some truth.

Over the past few decades, Kidman and I have frequently discussed the movie “Eyes Wide Shut.” To commemorate its 25-year anniversary, we thought it would be fitting to delve deeper into our conversation about it.

As a cinephile with a deep appreciation for Stanley Kubrick’s cinematic masterpieces, I can’t help but be intrigued by tales of the meticulous filmmaking process behind his iconic works. One such story that has always piqued my curiosity is the anecdote about a scene in “Eyes Wide Shut” that Kubrick reportedly cut after investing six weeks into its production.

Perhaps I overstated the case a bit during that anecdote about Tom and me. [Chuckles.] The incident began with us both smoking a joint in bed, followed by my extended speech. Preparing for this part required extensive rehearsals, which lasted several weeks. Initially, Tom wasn’t satisfied with our work, leading us to rework it on the spot. Stanley was known for his meticulousness and refused to overspend, valuing time above all else.

How did that scene evolve?

During the early stages of working with Stanley, Tom and I spent most of our time talking at his house without visiting the sets at Pinewood Studios. After six to eight weeks, we began to question when production would begin. We were simply getting used to each other and building trust, which allowed us to share ideas freely. For that particular scene, we improvised its beginning during rehearsals.

I couldn’t help but wonder if his portrayal of Bill and Alice’s relationship seemed eerily similar to my own marriage at times.

He may have been extracting insights from it. He exhibited curiosity towards certain concepts, often inquiring about them. Yet, he possessed a clear vision of the narrative he wanted to convey. I recall him mentioning, “Triangles can be tricky. One must approach with caution when dealing with a triangle.” As triangles can make one person feel surrounded and vulnerable, but he was mindful of this and adept at handling us.

Did you ever feel ganged up on?

Stanley found the dynamic of being a man in that situation intriguing as well. Moreover, he held a unique connection with Tom. Their collaborative efforts were particularly focused on developing Stanley’s character.

As a devoted cinema enthusiast, I can relate to the experience of collaborating on a script with someone new. In this creative journey, we engage in meaningful conversations, getting to know one another’s unique perspectives. When it comes time to contribute my own essence to our project, Alice, I ponder and reflect: What aspect of myself do I want to infuse into this story?

I’ve always been known for my assertiveness and straight-forward approach in life. I have no qualms about expressing myself openly and directly, especially when I’m feeling particularly bold. This trait was even more pronounced during certain experiences, such as when Alice and I found ourselves under the influence of mind-altering substances. However, it’s important to note that my assertiveness is a fundamental aspect of who I am, and not a result of external influences like being stoned. I’ve learned to embrace my up-front personality and use it to navigate through various situations in life.

How much experience in being stoned did you bring to the role?

Oh, I smoked when I was younger. But it definitely wasn’t of interest then.

Based on my experience as a film enthusiast and having delved deep into the making of Stanley Kubrick’s iconic movie “The Shining,” I have come across various anecdotes about the meticulous director’s approach to filmmaking. One intriguing tale that has always stayed with me is the story of how Kubrick emphasized the importance of Shelley Duvall’s character, Alice, being stoned during a pivotal scene in the movie.

And I probably would have said, “Of course, Stanley. Yeah. Got it.”

Stanley Kubrick was known for his humility despite his greatness. He requested that we didn’t idolize him excessively when we visited his home, as it could hinder creativity. Instead of fawning over him, he encouraged us to share ideas and wait a moment before dismissing them. I, being in my 20s, was inspired by this approach and saw it as an opportunity for experimentation, reminiscent of making student films in Australia.

When Alice dances with the Hungarian man attempting to charm her, her bravery shines through.

“I’m really annoyed.” I enjoy expressing this feeling, especially when I point a finger at him. This wasn’t part of the planned performance; it emerged during our preparation.

She draws out a lot of words while she’s dancing with him.

I’ve had my fair share of experiences with champagne, leaving me confident in handling such situations. [Laughter.] Likewise, I’ve likely told various individuals that I’m married on different occasions.

In the meantime, Bill is flirting with the two young models, an action observed by Alice. Prior to their bedroom encounter, Alice retrieves a joint from a Band-Aid box and examines her reflection in the mirror. Her expression suggests she’s gearing up for a confrontation.

Instead of having those talks directly with Stanley, you and I are engaging in this back-and-forth conversation now.

He didn’t like burrowing into the scenes?

To him and many directors, the question “Why” was particularly frustrating. I recall having asked it to Philip Roth once, and his response was, “Don’t even ask.” In return, he gave me a signed copy of his book “The Human Stain,” with the inscription, “Why not?”

So Kubrick would just get what he wanted by wearing you down?

In that scene, it seemed like he chose me specifically because of my mischievous and provocative side, which he discovered during filming. The moment when I take off the dress on camera wasn’t scripted – I used one of my own dresses from my closet for that shot. We weren’t purchasing new clothes for the production, so I showed Stanley all my beautiful dresses and that’s how it came about.

Have you noticed how Alice’s lengthy speech about men not knowing, followed by her sharing her sexual fantasies about the naval officer, has become quite popular? This segment was actually adopted by Frank Ocean for his song “Love Crimes.”

Get out! Are you kidding me? I love that. Thank you, Frank Ocean!

When I re-watched the film not too long ago, I jotted down observations in my notebook. One remark I made was, “Bill comes across as a jerk.” It seems that this particular scene resonated deeply with Alice and served as an outlet for her suppressed emotions.

Poking him. Or maybe it opens him up.

Well, that revelation devastates him.

Humans can cause great harm and destruction. However, gaining genuine insight into another person’s mind is elusive. We may believe we know someone, but the depth of their thoughts remains hidden from us. This reality can be uncomfortable, yet acknowledging it honestly is essential.

James Joyce penned a short story titled “Eyes Wide Shut,” which I had previously read. In this tale, a marriage that was once strong is shattered within mere seconds due to an unexpected revelation. Despite being a harmonious union based on mutual perceptions, the truth that emerged left one spouse feeling deceived: “The marriage, which had been thriving, was instantly destroyed when it was revealed that the person I thought I knew so well was actually an entirely different individual.”

Stanley believed animals were more trustworthy than humans. During a wildlife program where we witnessed a lion attacking fiercely, he was displeased but added, “At least with animals, you can tell what they’re thinking.”

Did you agree with him?

Based on my own experiences and observations, I believe that people are generally good at heart and deserve the benefit of the doubt. When someone tells me something that I know to be untrue, I would respond with a gentle but firm “That’s not accurate.” rather than an outright “No!” or “That’s not true!”. I have found that approaching conversations with positivity and optimism, even in challenging situations, often leads to better outcomes. In my youthful enthusiasm, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are doing their best, even if their actions or words may not align with that belief at first glance.

In the final film by Stanley Kubrick, it’s you who holds the ultimate say. [After Alice suggests to Bill that they take care of something urgently, he inquires, “What’s that?” She responds succinctly.]

During rehearsals, I discovered an intriguing phrase that resonated with me deeply. [Laughs.] It was a simple yet powerful concept that emerged during our preparation. In the performance, it’s a raw and elemental act to execute. Previously, I had never considered this perspective. Yet, here I am, holding the last line from Stanley Kubrick’s final movie. What an extraordinary opportunity! I’ll cherish every moment of it.

What do people say to you when they talk about the movie?

As a movie buff, I can relate to the curiosity about the long production process. It was an incredible two-year journey for us! [Chuckles.] Remember when Sydney Pollack arrived on set, assuring us he’d be there for just a few days? He said we’d shoot the scene that day. Tom and I exchanged knowing glances, thinking, “Yeah, right, Sydney.”

You didn’t tell him? You figured he’d discover the truth soon enough?

As a passionate film enthusiast, I couldn’t help but be drawn in by his warm welcome. By the end of the movie, Sydney, we found ourselves learning the art of pasta making from him. In our humble trailer, Stanley would visit us, and we’d share a heartfelt meal. The tiny kitchen in our trailer became a magical place where Sydney prepared this astonishing artichoke pasta, using only the finest Parmesan-Reggiano cheese and exquisite olive oil, accompanied by succulent roast chicken.

I lived in a trailer with my friend Tom, despite having a house only ten minutes away. Due to financial constraints, Stanley made it clear that we couldn’t each have our own trailers. My space was smaller since I was managing various tasks, and I often spent hours engrossed in the popular game “Minesweeper” during those periods.

Are you aware that watching “Eyes Wide Shut” has become a Christmas movie ritual for some?

“Geez, that’s an unusual choice for a Christmas film!” I chuckle, but his movies always leave us pondering with their depth and complexity, making us return to them time and again.

Do you think the finished film was his final cut?

As a movie enthusiast, I can understand how significant it must have been for Stanley, who had devoted an impressive 18 months to editing his film, to finally share it with us. His satisfaction with the project was evident, and having industry professionals from Warners present only added to the importance of this moment. He wasn’t planning on making any more changes, so we were in for a treat!

Have you come across it once more after its first showing in New York in March, just prior to his passing?

I’ve caught glimpses of it before, but I’ve never sat down to watch the entire thing from start to finish. [Pause.] Perhaps I’ll give it a full viewing during the holiday season. [Chuckles.]

It’s not a film you’re going to sit down and watch with your daughters, is it?

Without a doubt, during the AFI (Life Achievement Award) homage, they displayed the segment where I got high. I reacted with “Oh dear. Alright then.” while sitting next to my daughter, Sunday, as we watched it.

Did she say anything to you?

In my movie-loving perspective, when my mom mentioned “that was good” after our discussion about the intriguing scene in “Birth,” I was pleasantly surprised. But then, as we witnessed this particular scene unfold once again on the screen, her reaction transformed into an exclamation of “That was really good!” Hearing her words echoed my own thoughts as I sat there, captivated by the powerful impact of that moment in the film. A rare occurrence for me, indeed.

You probably hadn’t seen that in ages either.

As a movie critic, I must admit, watching my own films feels somewhat strange for me. I’m more than happy to praise the directors for their brilliant work. However, when it comes to my small contribution, I can’t help but cringe a bit. But Stanley, if you’re reading this, know that I’m incredibly proud of our collaborative efforts up there on the screen.

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2024-07-18 18:08